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Bachelor in Paradise Season 5, Episode 9 Recap: We Need to Talk About the 'Russian Witch Hunt'


Let’s be real: The thing everyone will be talking about from this episode of Bachelor in Paradise is the long-awaited “Russian witch hunt.” So, I’ll try to keep this recap to just the highlights in order to get straight to it. Spoilers ahead, of course.

Tonight’s episode starts the morning after the rose ceremony, so who knows if Chelsea and Christen made it out OK after their health scares. No update, no conversations about them, nothing. Instead, we get the arrival of Successful BIP Couples Carly and Evan and Jade and Tanner to give out a date card. They interview all of the couples, but some make a better impression than others. Carly and Evan clock the fear in Annaliese’s eyes as Kamil confesses he wants to take a step back. Eric spends five hours talking about cheese. (“Wow, that was f-cking weird,” Tanner says after.) Carly and Evan and Jade and Tanner end up picking Kendall and Joe—but it turns out the “date” is to babysit their kids for a few hours.

Kendall and Joe’s babysitting skills are comically bad. There’s a lot to laugh at. Like, how as soon as Joe picks up Jade and Tanner’s daughter, Emmy, she starts screaming. Or how Jade and Tanner react to this by practically running out of the room instead of helping. Or when Kendall thinks playing her ukulele will calm the baby. When Jade and Tanner finally return and ask how it went, Joe shrugs. “Well, she hates my guts, but other than that all went well.” Luckily, Kendall and Joe get a legit date card as a reward.

The arrival of these Successful BIP Couples causes the others to think about their own relationships. Jenna and Jordan talk baby names, for example, while Eric and Cassandra reevaluate their feelings, or lack thereof. He decides to leave, but Cassandra stays. Meanwhile, Chris and Krystal go on their own romantic date. Well, it’s kind of romantic: Just as Chris is about to tell Krystal he loves her, a raccoon saunters past their table. Eventually, though, he shares his feelings and she says she loves him too. The date ends with a random singer-songwriter (Ben Rector, according to Google) plays soft acoustic music while Krystal and Chris dance in the middle of the pool and the raccoon wanders around. ROMANCE!

Back at the villa, the cast plays truth or dare and this is when the seeds of the “Is Shushanna a witch?” controversy begin. Shushanna picks truth during her turn, so Annaliese asks, “Do you believe in love at first sight?” Shushanna says yes, so Jordan asks a follow-up question: Is there anyone here you want to kiss? Shushanna stares at Kamil, which he tells the camera he finds creepy. (Shushanna, for the record, thinks they have a connection still because every time she looks at Kamil he’s looking back.) Then somebody asks for a good truth question and Shushanna says, stone faced, “Did you ever want to kill someone? HAHAHAHA!”

Later, Jordan asks Shushanna why she’s still hung up on Kamil when he’s there and willing to pursue something. She’s like, “But Kamil, though.”

The next morning, Jordan gets a date card and offers to take Shushanna out. She declines because she’s still thinking about Kamil, so he takes Cassandra instead. This makes everyone in the villa question whether Shushanna’s persistence for Kamil is bordering on, as Kevin puts it, a bit “cray cray.” It reaches a breaking point when Shushanna pulls Kamil aside to tell him that she turned Jordan down because she still has feelings for him. Kamil says there’s no spark between them and can’t see it working. Shushanna just looks at him, smiles, and says, “Things change.” So, he says again that he’s not feeling it, to which she replies, “I don’t believe you.” OK then!

Shushanna isn’t completely daft, though. She admits to Olivia that she likes a challenge, and she knows that’s why she’s so intense about him. Meanwhile, Kamil tells Annaliese that he thinks Shushanna is using “her Russian witchery” on him because she keeps giving him “evil” eye contact. Oh yes, that spooky eye contact all witches are so famous for. “I don’t want her to put a spell on us or something,” he says. Annaliese decides the best thing to do is to tell Shushanna to back off “her man.” Spoiler: This is not the best thing to do. Kamil, however, simply says, “Thank you.”

When Annaliese asks to talk, Shushanna says, “Do you have to?” Which, LOL, so savage. They go back and forth for a bit, until this exchange takes place:

“So let me ask you this: You’re doing, like, witchcraft and stuff and trying to, like, put spells on us to break us up.”

“Oh my gosh, are you serious?”

“I’m not joking. the thing is that Kamil right now, he just does not want to be around you at all.”

“That’s the most ridiculous thing. Like, do I look like a f-cking witch?”

“Who looks like a witch? I don’t know.”

“You know what, you need to calm down.”

Naturally, Shushanna is not pleased that a rumor that she’s a witch is floating around. Here’s the thing: This sucks. Shushanna is, yes, a little delusional, but the cast members are using this perceived weakness to make fun of her. Olivia’s the only one who seems to be talking to Shu and trying to see her point of view, while everyone else is using words like “crazy” and putting her on trial for it. And don’t forget: The only reason “witch” came up was because Kamil said it. As Wes puts it, “Shushanna’s not a witch. Just because she’s Russian doesn’t mean she’s a witch. This is a Russian witch hunt, you know?” Or as Yuki puts it, “Sad!”

That said, this gives us some great soundbites from Shushanna, like “First, I’m european trash and now I’m a witch? Like, seriously?” And also, “Call me a bitch, but not a witch.”

At this moment, Diggy arrives in paradise and asks Shushanna for a chat. She tells him she’s still working out the Kamil stuff, so he should invite someone else on his date. Diggy’s like, woah, that’s a lot of baggage. He asks Olivia instead, and she agrees. Sorry, John: I’m already shipping them.

Before she goes on the date, though, Olivia sits down for a chat with Shushanna. Shu wonders if she should leave, and then Olivia does some witchcraft of her own: She basically convinces Shushanna that she’s just upset because deep down she really likes Jordan and is annoyed he’s on a date without her. This actually works, and now Shushanna’s running around the house saying, “F-ck Kamil!” as if she wasn’t just bawling over him two hours ago. Cut to: her burning a photo of Kamil in a bonfire that night.

When Jordan gets back from his date with Cassandra, Kevin and Astrid fill him in on the witch rumors and how Shushanna has decided she’s now into Jordan. He barely has time to process this before she shows up asking to talk. She tells him she was jealous that he was on a date, and he’s like, “Um, what about Kamil?” She’s all, “Kamil, who?” But Jordan doesn’t buy it and says he’s going to pursue things with Cassandra instead. Shushanna runs off to cry into a pillow, wailing, “It’s so unfair!” Jordan tries to give her a pep talk, but it…well, see below:

“You’ve got so much to offer!”

“I know, but I’m a f-cking witch!”

“That’s a stumble.”

With that, the episode ends. We’ll see how it plays out during next week’s finale. See you then!





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Bachelor in Paradise's Tia Booth on Her Breakup With Colton Underwood: 'We're Not for Each Other'


Considering he originally wanted Tia to be the Bachelorette, you’d think Colton Underwood would have been happier on Bachelor in Paradise. After all, Tia was there and ready to commit to a life played out on Instagram together. But Paradise is never that easy, is it? Just a few episodes after Colton asked Tia to be his girlfriend, he realized he wasn’t ready to be in a relationship with her. Oof.

And now, he’s going to be the next Bachelor. After the news broke, Tia tweeted him congratulations, writing, “I hope your season is full of protein powder, puppies, and naps!” But there’s no denying the breakup was hard on her. So in the two months since Tia walked out of Paradise, does she still have romantic feelings for Colton? Is there more reality TV in her future? Here, she tells all.

Glamour: How are you doing?

Tia Booth: I’m good. Honestly, I’m really in a good place. I think Colton needs to find himself before he can let someone in who’s going to make him happy in a relationship. That’s what I’ve told him: that he needs to focus on himself and not try to have this perfect exterior. We talked about it as we were leaving [Paradise], and he was telling me, “You are someone who knows what you want, and I’m just kind of coming into that, like coming into my own.” I think he’s really got to get there before he can truly be happy with someone.

Glamour: You’re obviously in a better place now, but that was a hard breakup to watch. What happened after you left Paradise?

Tia: Yeah, that breakup was very difficult. One, because I didn’t see it coming, and two, because we both tried so hard to make it work. We wanted it to work so badly, but you can’t force something that’s not there. When I got back to the hotel, the producers told me, “We’ll let you call your mom if that will help you.” I said, “I can’t even call her right now because I would just be emotional and crying the whole time. I want to get over that first before I even talk to my family.” But when we got our phones back, Colton and I caught up and checked in on each other—just like we always have, and just like we always will do. I think that goes to show we did build this relationship on a friendship; if nothing else, we have that friendship. I think that helped us both, to be able to talk it out immediately and move forward from there.

Glamour: Do you still feel something for him romantically?

Tia: No. I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Colton, just not in a romantic way. Colton is a great guy. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with him or there was anything wrong with me; I just think that we’re not for each other.

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Glamour: Raven came to visit you during Paradise. How did she react when you told her what happened with Colton?

Tia: [Laughs] I said, “Just to let you know, I’m on my way home.” She was shocked. She could not believe it, especially because the date that we had with her and Adam in Mexico was several days before [Colton and I broke up]. And I had to catch up with her on a Twitter feud that she was having [with Bekah Martinez] where she was defending me. We kind of caught up with that, and I let her know I was doing OK. She always calls and checks on me. She’s super supportive and always says the right things, so I always talk to her immediately.

Glamour: What’s next for you?

Tia: I’m not really sure what’s next for me. I’m still working and living my normal life in Arkansas, but I’m open to a relationship. I would love to meet the one and have a serious relationship with someone in whatever capacity that is.

Glamour: Would you sign up for a stint on a Bachelor franchise again, whether it’s Winter Games or Paradise?

Tia: I don’t know about more in the Bachelor franchise. Obviously, I love these people—that’s why I keep coming back—but honestly, leaving another reunion single kind of sucks. It wears on you knowing that you put yourself out there and tried it again and you’re still in this same position. I always learn so much about myself through this process and through this experience, but it can kind of wear on you.

This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.





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Colton Underwood Is the Next Bachelor, and Fans Aren't Thrilled About It


Colton Underwood literally just made his exit from Bachelor in Paradise on Monday night’s episode, after ending things with Tia Booth for good. But clearly, the 26-year-old former NFL player has been keeping busy since returning stateside. On Tuesday morning, September 4, ABC announced on Good Morning America in a surprising twist (or not?) that Underwood will embark on a whole new journey to find love as the next Bachelor.

Underwood appeared on GMA for the announcement, telling host Michael Strahan, “Third time’s the charm. That’s what they say, right? That’s what I’m hoping for!” Underwood then elaborated on his hopes for his upcoming turn as the Bachelor, saying, “That’s what I’m looking forward to the most, is being engaged and then getting married shortly after that.”

As for the status of his and Booth’s current relationship, Underwood said, “We are finally on the same page for the first time in our relationship, and we are just good friends.”

Underwood first appeared on Becca Kufrin’s season of The Bachelorette, where he sparked scandal over the revelations that he had dated Booth, Kufrin’s friend, shortly before coming on the show. The fact that he’s a virgin was another storyline during the season. Underwood told Strahan of his experiences on The Bachelorette and Bachelor in Paradise, “I think that’s one thing that I took pride in on both seasons, is just being true to who I am,” he said. “I think it took all of that to get to where I am now and know who I am as a person and what I want in a life partner.”

Booth, for her part, took to Twitter to congratulate her ex—and to confirm that she won’t be appearing on his season. “Congratulations @Colt3FIVE ? I hope your season is full of protein powder, puppies, and naps! #TheBachelor,” she wrote in a tweet. “And NO I will NOT be a contestant on Colton’s season. Lord bless.”

Blake Horstmann, who was considered to be in the running for The Bachelor, tweeted his support for Underwood as well. “Thank you all for the support over the last few months! It has been incredibly humbling and meant the world,” he wrote. “I am excited to close this chapter and see what the future holds! I have nothing but respect … I wanna wish @Colt3FIVE luck on his Journey.”

Meanwhile, Twitter on the whole seems to be none too thrilled about ABC’s new Bachelor pick. Welp.

But if you’re into the idea of dating Underwood—along with a dozen other women—you can apply here.





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Bachelor in Paradise Season 5, Episode 8 Recap: Three Hours of Nonstop Drama


Tonight’s Bachelor in Paradise was a full—and I mean FULL—three hours of nonstop ups and downs. So let’s get right into it, shall we? Spoilers ahead.

We pick up where we left off last week: Everyone is shook that Eric agreed to go on a date with…um, I want to say Cassandra? [Pauses to Google.] Yes, Cassandra! It’s especially throwing the women in paradise off because he seemed so into Angela—to them, this is proof things in their own relationships can change. Tia, however, is the only one not worried. She and Colton are 100-percent on the same page. Well, in her mind that is…because Colton tells Kevin he’s just going through the motions with Tia: “I can’t sit around on a beach anymore and look at her everyday and know that there’s not a future.”

Colton then breaks up with Tia, claiming, “I gave it my all.” (Did you, though?) They cry in each other’s arms and both decide to leave paradise. I’d say more—but, honestly, we’ve spent enough time on Tia and Colton’s relationship, or lack thereof, this season. We’re all ready to move on.

Of course, this split does not help the vibe in the house. People are feeling even more uncertain, especially Jenna who buries herself under a comically large beach pillow to cry. Jordan comes over to comfort her and, shock, does a decent job! He doesn’t minimize her feelings; instead, he says “it’s OK to be emotional.” Good job, Jordan.

One person not stressed about Colton and Tia? John, who was taking a long nap when all of this went down. “Really? You can do that?” he asks Jordan, who broke the news to him. “What the hell.”

But back to the drama that started this all: Eric’s date with Cassandra. When they return, Cassandra describes the date simply as, “We were in a parade. It was cool.” It’s a testament to how much and yet how little happens in paradise that nobody had any follow-up questions to this. In fact, they change the subject. Imagine if your roommate came home and said her date involved leading a full parade. Would you not need a lot more details?

Maybe nobody had follow-up questions because they’re upset that Eric waited—in their opinion—too long to speak to Angela upon his return. He does eventually pull her aside, though, and she tells him her feelings were hurt because he said he was “all in” but then went on a date. Eric’s defense is that he woke up that morning with “a lot of question marks” about their relationship. “I don’t see how eight hours of sleep makes a difference,” Angela replies. But Eric turns it on her, claiming he felt like she was never as “all in” as he was. (Being “all in” is going on a date with someone else? OK.) He wants to pursue things with Cassandra now.

[Drink every time someone says “all in” this episode. Except don’t, because you’d be extremely drunk.]

This conversation doesn’t go over so well with Angela, and she responds by pulling Cassandra aside to share her side of the story. She repeats “all in” 100 times until Cassandra agrees this is “a red flag” from Eric. She doesn’t really want to side with Angela or Eric, so she tells him she’s over all of this and would like to remove herself from the narrative.

Meanwhile, Astrid also felt rocked by Tia and Colton’s breakup. She shares her concerns with Kevin, but he says there’s nothing to worry about because he’s falling in love with her. (“You’re so out of my league that I knew I was going to fall in love with you from the first second we talked.”) “I hope you know that I’m falling for you too,” she says.

The next morning, two new arrivals come to paradise: Christen a.k.a. Scallop Fingers a.k.a. Scallops and Shushanna, who right away says she’s “not here to make friends with the girls.” It’s fitting, then, that she’s greeted by Cassandra who tells her, “Oh, we don’t want you here! Haha!”

Christen and Shushanna have a double date card; Christen invites John, who agrees, and Shushanna asks Kamil to go. When Kamil tells Annaliese he’s going to go on the date, she handles it really well…until he leaves. She spends the rest of the afternoon crying and pacing around the beach.

She’s not the only one having a hard day: Poor Kevin has to watch as his ex, Ashley, arrives in paradise with her new boyfriend, Jared, to gush about their love. His face throughout this is akin to:

That alone would suck, but it gets worse: Jared proposes to Ashley on the beach while Kevin (and the rest of the cast) watches from afar.

That said, the engagement is very cute. (“I’ve been a fool … I want to make it up to you for the rest of my life,” he says. “Holy shit, it’s perfect,” she says of the ring.) Kevin even graciously gives Ashley a hug and tells her congratulations. Later, though, he admits to Astrid that he’s annoyed. He wishes he would have left the relationship earlier than he did because now he wonders if she was using him to make Jared jealous. I mean, probably? He does get a date card to make up for it, though, and he and Astrid are in love so he’s fine.

Later, as soon as Kamil returns to the villa from his date, he tells Annaliese that he has a better connection with her than Shushanna and they spend the night together. The next night, ahead of the rose ceremony, Shushanna asks Kamil why he chose “the blonde girl” over her. He admits he didn’t think they had much in common, and she tears up. Kamil, correctly, says, “You shouldn’t be crying over me!”

She’s about to go home voluntarily when Chris Harrison shows up with a twist: Jordan from New Zealand Bachelor / Bachelor Winter Games is arriving with a rose, giving one more woman a chance to stay in paradise. Naturally, all of the women are immediately attracted to his accent. Christen even tries to imitate it, to which he says, “Honestly, you sound like a drunk Mary Poppins.”

But instead of focusing her attention on New Jordan’s arrival, Chelsea decides to make a last-ditch effort to win over Kamil. Of course, this does not go over well with Annaliese. Kamil even plays along with Chelsea’s gamble for a bit, but in the end gives Annaliese his rose. The other couples at the end of the ceremony are: Astrid and Kevin, Chris and Krystal, Old Jordan and Jenna, Kendall and Joe, Eric and Cassandra, New Jordan and Shushanna, and Olivia and John.

This means Angela, Chelsea, and Christen must leave. Angela chooses the traditional “cry in the back of a SUV” exit. Things are different for Christen and Chelsea, though. After the roses are handed out, Christen says she feels nauseous and her “ears are ringing.” Meanwhile, Chelsea has a full-blown panic attack during her post-rose ceremony interview. I hope they’re both OK—but we’ll have to find out what happens when the show returns tomorrow night. See you then.





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Jared and Ashley Reveal the Story Behind Their Bachelor in Paradise Engagement


Ever since Bachelor nation couple Ashley Iaconetti and Jared Haibon announced their surprise engagement, which finally aired on tonight’s Bachelor in Paradise, fans have wondered if this friendship-to-romance fairytale was the real deal. Yes, there’s a 2.4 karat Neil Lane ring involved, but did the guy who friend-zoned Ashley on multiple seasons of BiP really do a complete 180? And wasn’t she kind of serious with Kevin on Bachelor Winter Games earlier this year?

The short answer to both: Yes. The couple stopped by Glamour‘s west coast offices recently to talk about their relationship, which you can see in the video below, and their banter and PDA didn’t stop—even when the cameras weren’t rolling. Or, as Ashley put it during our interview, “Look at this man. He’s so perfect. How did my soulmate come in such a beautiful package?”

Now, the wedding countdown begins (“We’re thinking about next August, but definitely within the next 14 months,” Ashley says). Until then, we had plenty of pressing questions to ask. Like, who won’t be at the wedding? And how did that Bachelor in Paradise engagement go down? Read on for more.

Glamour: Who are you inviting?

Ashley Iaconetti: Well, all our friends. A lot of [Bachelor] production.

Jared Haibon: When it comes to the guest list, I can guarantee you there’ll be times we feel really awkward saying, “Yeah, you’re just not invited.”

Ashley: There are a lot of people who are like, “I better be invited to the wedding,” and I’ll be like, “Hmmm. Not.”

Jared: A lot of people have already been like, “We better be invited to the wedding!” And it’s like, “I know you’re not joking.”

Glamour: Who are these people?

Jared: People from Bachelor family who we’re kind of friends with, but we’re certainly not close enough to invite to the wedding. But seeing how it’s a very public wedding, I’m sure they’re like, “Of course I’m going to get invited!” I mean, I haven’t even started thinking of a guest list, but I’m already fearful.

Glamour: Do you feel pressure to invite the Bachelor or Bachelorette whose season you were on originally?

Jared: No.

Ashley: Oh, hell naw! Hells to the naw!

Jared: Well, I would want Kaitlin (Bristowe) and Shawn (Booth) there.

Ashley: I think Kaitlin and Shawn would make the invite because I would naturally invite Kaitlin; she was a big part of my experience on this franchise. That is funny, that he would have a girl he’s made out with at the wedding.

Glamour: But not Caila Quinn [who Jared dated the last time he was on Paradise]?

Ashley: Oh, hell to the naw! [Laughs]

Jared: We’re just not friends with Caila. I wish Caila all the best.

Glamour: Well said. Ashley, you’ve gone through so much heartbreak on the show. If you could go back and tell yourself one thing, what would you say?

Ashley: Hold on. Just keep holding out hope! You’re really good holding on hope, just keep doing it. [Laughs]

Glamour: For anyone who has ever been told it’s never going to happen with the person they are interested in, what kind of message does your relationship send? Or is this an exception to the rule?

Ashley: We say we’re an exception to the rule. When I read the hater boards and stuff, a lot of people are like, “They shouldn’t be thinking they’re role models for a relationship.” We don’t! In He’s Just Not That Into You, I’m the Ginnifer Goodwin character. I am the exception to the rule. Most people who are so in love with somebody and they just don’t feel the same way back for like, two plus years, it’s probably not going to happen. You should probably move on. In a way, I moved on. For a solid year before Jared actually admitted his feelings, I was like, I guess it’ll never happen.

Glamour: And you truly believed that?

Ashley: I honestly thought that our marriage pact was the only way Jared and I would be getting married. If we were both not married by 35. I was like, I bet you there’s a solid chance we’ll both be single by 35 if we’re not together and we’ll probably end up together and live a happy life. I didn’t think he was going to come out with those [feelings]. We get the greatest comments about hope and how we give people hope and they believe in love again. It’s the nicest thing we could ever hear from people. But when there is a friend-zone situation, I want to be like, here’s the best advice: Jared said if I were to have cut him off cold-turkey a couple years ago, he would have come back. All this would have happened way sooner. So, I think that’s the test for people who are stuck in the friend zone. Cut him [or her] off, and if they don’t come back…

Jared: Then it’s over.

Ashley: Then it’s not going to happen.

Jared: I completely agree.

Glamour: Jared, there was always a spark with Ashley though, right?

Jared: There was never nothing. We got along really well, but for me, there wasn’t that romantic, boom, fireworks. A lot of it had to do with timing. It was literally a month after I finished The Bachelorette, which I was very invested in, when Ashley crossed my path [on Paradise]. Even if it was really good, I was like, “No, no, no, no, it’s not going to work out.” I never really gave that an opportunity. What’s funny, though, is that I always knew I was going to have some sort of romantic-comedy spin on my love life. I just didn’t know it would end up like this.

Ashley: You sure got it!

Glamour: Let’s talk about going to Bachelor in Paradise this year. Why were you even going in the first place?

Ashley: I thought we were going to [give out] a date card. We had been down there during Paradise season three and Jade and Tanner came down there for a date card.

Glamour: Who arranged for this to even happen? Jared?

Ashley: He handled most of the arrangements for the first time. I’m usually our travel coordinator. But, I was like, in the case that this is what I hope it is, I’m just going to let him deal….

Glamour: What do you mean “in the case that this is what I hope it is?”

Ashley: I mean, I definitely hoped we were going there to get engaged. I think any girl in my shoes would definitely think that, too.

Jared: I agree. She was definitely dropping hints that she was going to say yes. She was saying, “Hey, if you ask me tomorrow to get engaged I’d say yes.” She’d even say that we’re not going to live together until we get engaged. So, she was definitely dropping a lot of hints. I was trying to keep it from her, but I knew as soon as I started talking to ABC [about] going to Paradise, and I was telling Ashley we were going to make a cameo…

Glamour: Did you suggest going to Paradise to get engaged?

Ashley: I may have done the initial planting.

Jared: No, you didn’t.

Ashley: I kind of told [one of the producers] back in the day, “We’ll see where this is going. If this is going as well as it is right now, maybe we’ll talk to you about things we can do in Paradise.” They would have talked to [Jared] regardless.

Jared: I give you a lot of credit for a lot of things, but I give you zero credit for that.

Ashley: [Laughs]

Glamour: So, you went down with the impression you were giving out a date card, which makes sense.

Ashley: Oh, yeah, it makes total sense. There were so many other couples down there. So many people made cameo appearances.

Jared: It wasn’t really out of the ordinary for us to go there.

Ashley: The more couples and people I knew were going down there, the less likely it seemed like we were going to get engaged. It actually made me feel like, Oh, everybody’s doing it.

Glamour: Let’s say it wasn’t an option to get engaged on Bachelor in Paradise. Would you have still proposed now, Jared?

Jared: Probably right around there. I remember talking to a lot of my friends and family about whether it was too soon to get engaged in Paradise. They were like, “Well, when do you see yourself proposing?” and I was like, “I don’t know, maybe six months from now.” So they said, “You’re going to wait six more months when this opportunity is presented to you? What are you, out of your mind?”

Ashley: Remember that conversation we had four days before we went to Paradise? I was like, “We’d have to be married by 31, so we can have a year married by the time we start trying to have kids.” And you were like, “What? 31? That’s like, next year!” He was like, “That’s so soon!”

Glamour: So you had started talking about having a family?

Jared: Of course. We started planning a family the day we became boyfriend and girlfriend. It’s not scary for us. I think that’s a big part of the relationship. It’s not scary for us to talk about the future because we want the future to be with both of us.

Glamour: How many kids do you want?

Jared and Ashley simultaneously: Two to three. [Laughs]

Glamour: What was the funniest reaction you heard from your friends in Bachelor Nation when they found out?

Ashley: I think they weren’t that surprised. They were like, “This is how we do things around here.”

Glamour: After your engagement is shown on Paradise, when will viewers see you two on TV again? Would you ever have your own show?

Jared: We’d be open to it.

Ashley: We’d definitely want to be producers on it because we wouldn’t want to be in one of those Jessica Simpson/Nick Lachey situations. So many couples who’ve had reality shows, it just breaks them. We’d need to be heavily involved.



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Who Should Be the Next Bachelor? The 'Bachelor in Paradise' Cast Weighs In


Rumor has it that the next Bachelor is down to three guys from Becca Kufrin’s season of The Bachelorette: Jason Tartick, Colton Underwood, or Blake Horstmann. (That’s according to Us Weekly, at least.) All three were fan favorites and come without controversies or scandals, so it’s hard to say which guy should get picked for the job. So, we turned to some real insiders, those embedded in the Bachelor universe, to share. Here, cast members from this season of Bachelor in Paradise weigh in.



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