This post contains spoilers for You season 2. Consider yourself warned.
Netflix‘s You is one of those shows where so much happens over the course of a season that you might actually forget key details by the time it’s over. Throughout the duration of You season 2, viewers spend time getting to know Joe/Will’s (Penn Badgley) new obsession, Love Quinn (Victoria Pedretti), a nice Los Angeles (rich) girl who seems surprisingly down-to-Earth.
As the episodes progress, we learn that Love is a young widow. Via flashbacks, we see conversations between her and her late husband, James. By the end of the season, we also realize that Love is fully capable of murder: In a shocking twist toward the end, viewers learn that she killed her au pair back in the day and also slits Candace’s throat in an attempt to protect Joe.
Now, a popular fan theory suggests she killed James, as well. Remember, the show only tells us that he was “sick,” but we don’t get any details about what he had. Was it cancer? Something else? Love says the doctors couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Maybe it was…poison.
“What if Love poisoned her husband… you notice how she’s making treats daily…. they couldn’t figure out why her husband died, but maybe she poisoned him over time…. #YouNetflix,” one fan tweeted. Another wrote, “Started You season 2 on Netflix and I’m finishing up on episode 1… Love poisoned her husband didn’t she? She said ‘he got sick and they couldn’t figure out what was wrong’ so I’m guessing she killed him? ? Here start my theories! I question everything ?.”
Much like the theory that Joe is not the father of Love’s baby, this one pretty much tracks. Can the third season just happen already so we can find out?
This post contains spoilers for You season two. Proceed at your own risk.
Have you recovered from all the twists and turns in Youseason two on Netflix yet? It was quite a ride watching Joe carve out a new life for himself in Los Angeles as “Will” and become obsessed with a new woman—the aptly-named, Love.
But as you know, Love isn’t exactly the sweet, organic juice-drinking Angeleno she originally appeared to be. By the end of the season, we came to learn that she, too, is a murderer who fundamentally believes her actions are justified. She’s just protecting the people she loves, right? Love also drops a big bombshell on Joe: She’s pregnant. In the final scenes, we see the couple moving into a new house with her baby bump on display.
Fans, however, have a theory about said pregnancy that has a lot of evidence behind it. They think the baby isn’t actually Joe’s, but her ex Milo’s. During a breakup after Love discovers Joe/Will has been lying about his identity, she briefly reconnects with her old flame, who also happens to be her dead ex-husband’s best friend.
Honestly, this theory tracks. It’s weird Joe doesn’t question the timing of Love’s pregnancy at all or the fact that Love blurts out this news in an attempt to save her own life.
” I have a very strong theory for You season 3 and your thoughts on it. I believe the baby is not Joe’s it’s Milo’s. After Love broke up with him she had sex with Milo. Love and Joe didn’t get back together until he was getting ready to leave LA in the final episodes,” one fan tweeted. Another posted, “Since Love is a professional liar, what if the baby is actually Milo’s and her saying she told him to use protection is just an excuse for Joe to stay with her ?,”
As You has proven in its two seasons, no theory is too wild or twist too weird, but we’ll just have to wait and see how this all turns out. While no official announcement has been made regarding season three, we’re keeping our fingers crossed.
Like with any groups of rabid fans, when you meet a fellow Bravo watcher out in the wild there’s an instant shorthand. Phrases like “bye wig” and “whoop it up” are tossed around. Hopeful plans for drinks at TomTom (L.A.), The Regency (New York), or Old Lady Gang (Atlanta) are made. A discussion of whether or not it’s about the pasta might end with everyone singing “Good As Gold.” Bravo has, without a doubt, turned a cable TV network into a full-on cultural phenomenon.
It’s surprising, then, that we’ve gone this long without a convention to cater to the fans that can’t get enough. That changed this past weekend, when the network hosted its first BravoCon in New York City. The three-day event—which started at $299, with plenty of opportunities for VIP add-ons—featured a mix of opportunities for obsessives to interact with the 88 Bravolebrities (that is, Bravo celebrities) who attended, including panels with the Below Deck cast, dinners prepared by Top Chef contestants, and a pop-up museum dedicated to all things Real Housewives. It was a hit, naturally: Tickets sold out quickly and, according to a statement by Bravo, “We had nearly 10,000 people come through our doors (although that counts some people more than once since some had a multi-day pass).”
“We’ve been noodling around with [BravoCon] for a long time,” Andy Cohen, Bravo’s Executive Vice President of Development and Talent until 2013 and the host of Watch What Happens Live, told reporters on the red carpet before a taping of the talk show on Friday night. (An event that flush fans could spend extra to attend.) “I’m so excited that Bravo finally decided to do it.”
The fans were excited too, of course. Ashley, who came from Arizona, says she bought four tickets to the convention before she even knew who would come with her. Jim says he made new friends on his flight from Chicago to New York—he noticed a group planning their itinerary on the BravoCon app and struck up a conversation. The pack shared a cab from the airport to the hotel. For both, highlights of their weekend were the times they got to interact with their favorite Bravolebrities.
Kenya Moore, Cynthia Bailey, and Eva Marcille during a taping of *Watch What Happens Live*Karlolina Wojtasik/Bravo
That sentiment rang true for the stars as well. Every Bravolebrity I talked to over the course of the weekend described Bravo fans with similar language—loyal, passionate, and vocal were words that came up often—and cited them as their main reason for wanting to participate in the event. “Oh, the Bravo fans are so passionate,” Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star Kyle Richards told me. “They’re so passionate that sometimes it can be a little jarring. I remember my daughter saying to me once, ‘Mom, don’t get your feelings hurt. They’re sports fans. It’s not that they don’t love the Lakers, they just happen to love the Clippers more.’ But when they’re on your side, there’s nobody more passionate. When they’re mad at you it’s the same, but I respect them.”
Kourtney Kardashian isn’t here for fans offering unsolicited opinions about her children. Exhibit A: This Instagram comment she wrote in response to someone saying she needs to cut her son Reign Disick‘s hair.
Let’s back up for a second: On Sunday, October 27, Kardashian posted several photos to Instagram of her children enjoying a weekend away in Santa Ynez, California. Reign is in a few of the pics having the best time and enjoying the outside. But a follower couldn’t help but make a comment about the 4-year-old’s hair. “She really need to cut his hair,” the person wrote.
Kardashian’s response was swift, though. “She really need to not worry about kids that aren’t her own,” she wrote. “He is a happy boy.”
Check out the original post and the comments exchange for yourself, below:
Kourtney Kardashian is the mother of three children: Reign, Penelope, and Mason. Both Reign and Mason share the same birthday, December 14, just five years apart.
“They’re my priorities,” Kardashian told Harper’s Bazaar a few years back about her children. “No matter what’s happening—they always come first. As far as filming in our homes, I think just making sure that they feel comfortable enough that they can walk in any room—even if we’re filming they don’t notice. I want it to always be a comfortable household. Schedules change, so I’ll say, ‘Everybody has to leave by this time, so we can unwind and go to bed.’ This is their home, and I’m always conscious of how they feel.”
When asked about her favorite part of motherhood, she said, “Watching your kids grow every day—watching all the little moments. I actually think my favorite part is that you relive your own childhood—going to Disneyland and watching all the movies I watched when I was a kid. I have so many of the books we read when we were little—so reading all the same books again. It’s really fun—you almost get to be a kid again and do all those magical things.”
Any Game of Thrones fan who, for the past eight years, has been rooting for Daenerys Targaryen to take the Iron Throne was left very disappointed after the finale last Sunday (May 19), when Jon Snow literally stabbed her in the heart while she was in his arms. (That’s not to say anything of the previous week’s episode, where she went full Mad Queen and left people more than a little upset). And although the close-up shot of the moment left virtually zero doubt that she was dead—and, you know, it was the series finale—Game of Thrones is a show known for its shocking plot twists. Needless to say, fans who are still a little bit in denial about the show’s ending—and Khaleesi’s fate, specifically—have come up with not one, but two theories about how the Mother of Dragons might still be alive. And honestly? They don’t not make sense.
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Theory 1: Daenerys Is a Dragon Now
There’s a warg-centered theory that actually makes for some interesting reading, especially if you’ve gone through the Game of Thrones book series. In the prologue of A Dance With Dragons, wilding Varamyr gets killed but then—twist!—apparently comes to in the body of one of his wolves. “It is possible for the warg to live a type of second life, a much simpler life inside the mind of an animal he controls. In the second life, the skinchanger’s [warg’s] memory slowly fades until nothing of the man is left and only the beast remains,” the passage reads.
Yeah, sure, Bran is the only warg left that we know officially exists, but Dany’s brother Viserys—and a few other Targaryens—also claimed to be dragons. So it stands to reason that Khaleesi could have warged into Drogon.
Theory 2: Kinvara Resurrects Daenerys
OK, so remember Kinvara, all the way back from season six? She was a Red Priestess of the Lord of Light from Volantis. Tyrion and Varys wanted her to mount a good-PR campaign on Daenerys’ behalf (she’s a “liberator,” not a “conquerer”), but Kinvara was already on board and said she thought Dany was Azor Ahai, the Price Who Was Promised.
Now, skip ahead to the finale: King Bran’s people tell him that Daenerys’ Drogon was last spotted heading east, “towards Volantis,” and Bran was all in for using his Three-Eyed Raven sight to find Drogon. Fans think that means Drogon was bringing Khaleesi’s body to Volantis so Kinvara can resurrect her with the power of the Light. Hey, Melisandre did the same thing for Jon Snow, as did Thoros of Myr for Beric Dondarrion (more than once).
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A Little More Potential Evidence
This past season, a fan of the show, or just a sadist, decided to leak the plot points for the last three episodes of the final season on Reddit. Everyone thought/hoped they were fake, but they were surprisingly accurate—like, to the point people thought the snitch had access to inside intel at HBO. Anyway, this person wrote that there was a post-credits scene featuring Dany that didn’t make the cut for the final episode. Whether this involved Dany getting resurrected over in Volantis or still just dead, we don’t know. But she was (apparently) supposed to be there!
As others point out, however, the show is usually good at dropping hints into episodes, if you just look hard enough for them—and surely with a twist this dramatic, the signs would be there. Or are these the signs? Drogon, for his part, is probably taking his mother back to Old Valyria, where Khaleesi was originally from. It’s hard to know for sure, but I gotta say, Daenerys did look pretty dead in her final scene. In any case, fans who wanted something more for Dany after all of that can take some small comfort knowing it might not be totally over for the Mother of Dragons—even if it’s only in their own epilogues for the show.
This post contains spoilers for the final season of Game of Thrones. Consider yourself warned.
Game of Thrones may be over, but the debate about how it ended will likely go on forever. That’s what happens when a show and its characters are so beloved. You’ll still easily find pockets of people ready to debate the finales of Seinfeld, The Sopranos, or Lost at any given moment.
But Sophie Turner (a.k.a Sansa Stark), for one, is not here for the backlash, most specifically the petition started by fans who want to completely redo the show’s eighth and final season. But she kind of expected the divided reaction.
“Honestly, I’m not surprised. People always have an idea in their heads of how they want a show to finish, and so when it doesn’t go to their liking, they start to speak up about it and rebel,” she told the New York Times. “The thing about Game of Thrones that’s always been amazing is the fact that there’s always been crazy twists and turns, right from Season 1 with Ned’s beheading. So Daenerys becoming something of the Mad Queen — it shouldn’t be such a negative thing for fans. It’s a shock for sure, but I think it’s just because it hasn’t gone their way.”
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But feeling that way and demanding the show be changed, well that’s a different story. “All of these petitions and things like that — I think it’s disrespectful to the crew, and the writers, and the filmmakers who have worked tirelessly over 10 years, and for 11 months shooting the last season,” she continued. “Like 50-something night shoots. So many people worked so, so hard on it, and for people to just rubbish it because it’s not what they want to see is just disrespectful.”
Turner also weighed in on that controversial scene where Sansa appeared to be crediting her abusers with making her the woman she became. “I obviously think that’s not a message to spread. But I don’t think that was the intention,” she said. “It was that she was strong in spite of all of the horrific things that she’s gone through, not because of them. She’s had resilience since the very beginning, and despite all of these awful things that happened to her, she’s kept that resilience. Sansa to the core is resilient and brave and strong, and that had nothing to do with her abusers.”
The Queen in the North has spoken—and that’s the tea.
