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'This Is Us' Season 2 Episode 13 Recap: So We Finally Learned How That Fire Started


Tonight’s This Is Us revealed something major: the cause of that fire. I know you’re anxious to find out what it is, so let’s get right to the recap. Brace yourselves for this one.

We open with two random older people cleaning out their garage. They’re selling their house, and the wife wants the husband to get rid of his junk. How they are connected to the Pearsons is a mystery at this point, but let’s check in with our usual players…

’90s Pearson Family

It’s Super Bowl Sunday in the Pearson household, and it’s obvious shit’s about to hit the fan. Jack is on the fence about starting his own business and also feeling temptation to drink again, which is why he built a huge wooden entertainment system to watch the big game. Randall’s having a girl over, Alison, to watch the Super Bowl, but he ditches before kickoff to catch a movie with her. I’d be annoyed if Kevin did that, but Randall can do no wrong in my eyes.

Speaking of Teenage Kevin, he’s being his usual horrible self about Super Bowl Sunday and college, scowling and copping attitude and making side-part Rebecca frown. Teenage Kate is in the final rounds of admission for Berklee and has to record an audition tape. Jack wants to film it on camera, but Kate’s like, “I’d rather die.” Same, girl. Geez, the tension’s already building, and I’m shook. No good can happen on Super Bowl Sunday! Teenage Kate implores Jack to stop talking about how beautiful she is because she doesn’t see herself that way. Oof. The takeaway from these scenes thus far is that Jack’s really pissing off his kids.

Teenage Sophie gets into NYU, and Teen Kevin’s mad about it. It causes him and his parents to get into a huge fight about college, and he literally says, “I was supposed to end up in the Super Bowl, not watch it, like you guys.” What. A. Monster. He storms out and goes to Sophie’s. If you’re keeping tabs, that makes two Pearson kids who’ve ditched Super Bowl Sunday thus far.

Oh no: Now Kate‘s ditching the Super Bowl, too. It’s now just Rebecca and Jack in the house. Jack asks Rebecca to be his partner in the home-flipping business he wants to start. (This would be the precursor to him owning a construction company.) She agrees, and they have vivid fantasies about their post-kids life with this new business. Their first clients are an older man and woman who have a one-family household. (Are these the same older people from the top of the episode, perhaps?) Holy shit. I’m bawling, because I know Jack’s about to die…but Rebecca doesn’t! They have sex. I’m terrified. Oh my God. Oh my God. These are genuine emotions I’m feeling. For This Is Us!

Kevin calls and apologizes to Rebecca, but says he doesn’t want to talk to Jack and doesn’t want to come home. Instead, he suggests that he and Sophie go to a “party in the woods.” Oh no. This is why you never go outdoors!

Adult Kevin and Randall

Randall is in way over his head with renovating William’s old apartment building, and Beth tells him this when they go meet the tenants. He agrees to all of these minor repairs and ends up being there for hours. Kevin’s there, too; he calls Randall to make amends post the DUI-Tess debacle and winds up helping him with the repairs. A group of women gather and watch sweaty Kevin knock down a wall, and I relate to that on a spiritual level. Randall thinks he’s doing a good job, but then a bunch of roaches come out of one of the walls he fixed. Whatever, I’d still let him rewire my entire apartment.

Kevin’s all into these renovations because he wants to stay sober. He and Randall have an intense, emotional conversation about how Jack’s been gone longer than they had him. It’s touching. Kevin was also wearing a tank top during this scene, so I’m pleased. Kevin alludes there are some people he won’t be able to make amends with, but hopefully he and Randall can make up. I hate when they fight, TBH. Randall has to send all the tenants to temporary housing while they spray the building for roaches. Beth reads him for filth for screwing up their gig so quickly because of course she does. I love her so much.

Cut to Adult Kevin going to Adult Sophie’s and talking about his addiction. She says the amends he wants from him is to just let her remember the times their relationship was good. She forgives him, but it’s clear this is the end of their time together. Kevin goes back to Randall’s apartment and finds a package addressed to him. In it is his father’s necklace—the one he left at that woman Charlotte’s house when he was drunk. He now can cross Charlotte and Sophie’s name off the list of people he wants to make amends with. There’s only one person left: His father. Oh boy.

Adult Kate

Kate thinks Toby’s watching porn on his computer, but he’s actually flipping through pics of dogs. He wants a dog, but knows that dogs are a “sensitive issue” for Kate. (Remember, Kate’s teenage dog played some kind of hand in The Fire.) But Kate decides to go behind Toby’s back and look for a dog, anyway. And she finds one! She starts the process to adopt it but backs out at the last minute, breaking down in tears at the animal shelter and literally apologizing to the dog. She then storms out. Kate ends up changing her mind, though, and getting the dog—despite the fact it will constantly remind her of Jack. What. The. Hell. Is. About. To. Happen?

The Fire

Everything from this episode led up to the final 10 minutes. Here’s what happened:

Kate’s listening to her Berklee audio tape, loud with headphones on. Randall is back from his date with Alison, and he tells Jack that they kissed. Jack starts doing dishes and putting food away. He then leaves a note on Kevin’s door saying he loves him and that he owes him and Rebecca an apology. Keep in mind that Kevin is now the only kid who isn’t at home.

The older man and woman from the beginning were actually Rebecca and Jack’s old neighbors. When they moved, they gifted Rebecca and Jack with a faulty crockpot. Jack turns off the crockpot when he’s cooking after the Super Bowl, but it accidentally turns back on in the middle of the night and causes a terrible, all-encompassing fire. The fire slowly but steadily starts moving up the stairs.

And that’s where the episode leaves us. Literally that’s it. I need an ambulance.

Parting thoughts: The next episode airs after the Super Bowl, and the teaser says “all our questions will be answered.” ? ? ?

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'This Is Us' Season 2 Episode 12 Recap: An Important Detail About the Fire Is Revealed


Tonight’s episode of This Is Us is titled “Clooney,” which we’re reminded at the beginning is the name of William’s cat. So, like, is this whole episode going to be about some cat? Because if so let’s just skip this week. I don’t have the patience.

Praise be, it’s not: We start in the ’90s, where the Pearson three are teens. Kate needs a dress for Winter Formal and actually asks Rebecca to take her to the mall. Kevin’s knee is broken from his football accident, so he’s lying on the couch, guzzling soda and feeling sorry for himself. Jack tells him to snap out of it and drags him to the mall to get a Winter Formal outfit, too. Randall also tags along and is enthusiastic because he’s the best.

While Kate and Rebecca are browsing dresses, Kate’s clearly uncomfortable. It looks like she has the number “7” written on her wrist, which is confusing. Is that…the dress size she’s aiming for? I don’t know. The dresses seem to not fit Kate, so she scurries off while Rebecca isn’t looking. When Rebecca finds Kate and suggests they look for other dresses, Kate snaps. It’s the first time ever I’ve empathized with one of the Pearson teens’ bratty outbursts. Have you ever struggled to fit into clothes inside a public dressing room? The panic, the embarrassment, the sweat beating down your neck—it’s horrible.

Meanwhile, Kevin and Jack are heading to a suit shop when they run into Miguel, who reveals his ex-wife is now engaged. Jack tries to make Miguel feel better, but annoying Kevin jumps down his throat and says Miguel is allowed to just let “things suck.” I’m so over his angst, it’s not even funny. (But I’m still crushing on him because I’m a masochist.)

Miguel, Randall, Jack, and Kevin are eating in the food court and talking about “lost dreams.” Jack tells the boys he once wanted to open up his own construction company but didn’t so his family could have a stable life. This is all so boring, and them eating at a food court makes me want to eat at a food court. They eventually get suits. It’s cute. Later, Jack tells Rebecca he wants to quit his job and start that construction business: The Big Three.

But who cares about that because, OMG: Randall made a homemade eight ball and used it to ask a girl at the mall on a date. He’s perfect. (This girl’s also who Randall is seen with the night of The Fire, so ? .)

Adult Randall

Randall has a job interview today, and he’s not excited about it, which is annoying Beth. He has to drive over to William’s old apartment to pick up some random box they found in storage. Oh my God: What if the cat is in that box? No way, right? That’s way too morbid.

OK, so the cat isn’t in the box. He’s missing, allegedly. I really hope we’re not expected to care about this cat. In William’s box, Randall finds poems he wrote about some “lady” and gets excited. I’m confused and, honestly, don’t care. I’ve never not cared about Randall’s storyline.

Randall then goes around from apartment to apartment in William’s building asking people if they know the women from these poems. I could cry from boredom. Where the hell is Beth?

Thank God, she’s here now, shutting down Randall’s chatter about these poems and telling him to get a job. She says he’s in “outer space” and needs to be back in the “real world” with her. He’s devastated when she says this. It’s harsh, sure, but Beth can do no wrong in my eyes, so I support her.

Randall goes for the job interview, but leaves it halfway through to answer a phone call about the mystery poem lady from William’s apartment building. Is she going to help pay for your kids’ college, Randall?!? Is she?!

The call leads Randall to William’s old super, who says she and William didn’t sleep together but the building “felt it” when he moved. Randall eventually finds himself in William’s actual apartment unit, which reveals the “lady” from the poems: Billie Holiday. A billboard of Billie Holiday, nicknamed Lady Day, is visible across the street from William’s apartment. Awww, tender. But boring.

At the end, Randall takes Beth to this building and says he wants to buy it with her and help give the tenants inside the comfort they deserve. Again, tender. (And, again, boring.)

Adult Kate

We open with Kate at Overeater’s Anonymous, talking about how she “fell off the wagon” but is getting back on track because she and Toby are getting married in the spring. She voices anxiety about picking out a wedding dress, which is completely understandable and painfully relatable. Surprisingly, Madison—the thin girl in their OA class who Kate hates—proposes to take her wedding dress shopping at a place that does custom gowns. Kate agrees. Geez. I hope this ends well.

They arrive at the wedding dress shop, and things are actually going great…for Kate. It’s Madison who seems to be on edge about something. Answer: She ate several macaroons when she arrived at the shop and threw them up. When Kate goes to confront Madison about this, she gets defensive and leaves Kate in the parking lot.

Later, Madison calls Kate in a panic. It turns out she came home, binge-ate old frozen yogurt, and fainted. Kate then opens up to Madison about some of her issues: Apparently, Kate lost a lot of weight after Jack died. She became so thin, the size-seven Winter Formal dress that didn’t fit her from the flashback was loose on her. But the weight loss didn’t bring her the happiness she thought. She felt empty; Kate says she liked being overweight because she liked hating herself and hearing the angry voice constantly telling her to lose weight.

Oof. Full personal disclosure: This storyline’s hitting pretty close to home for me. Like Kate, I’ve struggled with weight (and trying to lose it) for as long as I can remember. It’s an unhealthy, all-consuming obsession that’s somehow become a part of my identity—as it has for Kate. And here, Kate asks a question I’ve repeatedly asked myself for years: Who would I be if I wasn’t constantly thinking about losing weight? It’s incredible This Is Us is tackling a body-image issue this specific and nuanced.

Adult Kevin

Kevin’s leaving rehab, but his therapist says she’s worried he may slip up if he goes back to Hollywood. So he goes to stay with Rebecca and Miguel, which will probably end terribly.

It’s already awkward five minutes in. Rebecca stocked up on all this healthy food, but Kevin says he’s on a super sugary diet because…that’s allowed when you’re a recovering drug addict? At the grocery store, Rebecca and Kevin share a warm moment about their Jack necklaces. But then Miguel reveals to Kevin in private that Rebecca’s been a “wreck” since their therapy-session fight and Kevin’s arrest. He says he’s going to “protect” Rebecca from any more “bombs” Kevin plans to throw at her. Kevin then makes some horrible comment about how Jack, not Miguel, is Rebecca’s husband. Again, Kevin’s being the worst, as per usual. Is anyone surprised?

Kevin eventually apologizes to Miguel, but then jumps straight into interrogating him about Jack. Miguel says he wasn’t in love with Rebecca when Jack was alive but he is now and isn’t going anywhere. And that’s a good thing, Kevin! Why the hell do you not want your mom to be happy? He’s ridiculous. Kevin and Rebecca eventually have a nice conversation, though, and he comes around to the fact that Miguel makes her happy.

But the most important scene in this episode happens at the very end. When we opened, ’90s Rebecca told ’90s Jack they needed to pick up batteries at the mall, but they forgot. And it turns out those batteries were for a smoke detector. A smoke detector that probably didn’t go off during a certain fire. Is that why the fire was as bad as it was? The Pearsons didn’t realize it was happening because the smoke detector was broken, and it escalated? Oof. Another layer to this mystery!

Parting thoughts: Check our smoke detectors, apparently.

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'This Is Us' Season 2 Episode 11 Recap: The Pearson Three Have Their Biggest Fight Ever


This Is Us is back, and it’s weepier than ever. Huzzah! Read the recap, below—I’m not going to keep you waiting. Spoilers ahead, obviously.

We start with a flashback: Child Kate’s playing Monopoly with Rebecca. Child Randall—the world’s most perfect child—has new glasses, and he’s afraid the kids at school will call him Urkel. Pre-teens are terrible. Child Kate asks Rebecca for more cookies, and Rebecca says they should eat apples instead; it’s awkward. But all of this is interrupted by Mustache Working Dad Jack, who comes home, much to the delight of Kate. (His ‘stache looks particularly off the rails in this shot.)

Jack’s co-worker has a cabin in the Poconos and says he and his family can have it for a full week, if they want. So the Pearsons are going on vacation, which means emotional fuckery is afoot.

Child Kevin arrives to the Poconos a few days after everyone else because he was at football camp or something. Rebecca has to straight-up tell Kevin not to make fun of Randall’s glasses because he’s a monster. And she’s also concerned about Kate, too: She notices everything exciting Kate about their trip revolves around food. Jack says Rebecca’s overreacting and that Kate is just “big-boned.” Oy. There’s a lot to unpack here; hopefully This Is Us deals with this subplot respectfully.

Kate, Kevin, and Jack start playing a football game, and Kate says she’s tired and wants to stop. Jack says she’s been “eating a lot of sweets” and wants her to exercise to be healthy. This upsets Kate, and she runs away. Jack follows her, and she asks him straight-up if he thinks she’s fat. It’s a poignant scene. The actress who plays Child Kate, Mackenzie Hancsicsak, is heartbreaking here.

But you know who isn’t? Child Kevin, who throws a football at Child Randall and calls him “four eyes.” WTF?!? Randall then loses his glasses, and Rebecca immediately thinks Kevin had something to do with it…as she damn well should. Kevin then goes on a rant, saying he “hates” Rebecca and that she “sucks” and their family “sucks.” Well, you know what? I hate him, and I don’t care if he’s a child. He’s the worst! Always and forever!

In the middle of the night during a thunderstorm, Kevin finds Randall’s glasses under the bed and rushes to his parents’ room to tell them. There, he finds Randall and Kate sleeping in the bed with their parents, and there’s no room for him. So he goes to sleep on the floor, which is beyond heavy-handed foreshadowing for what happens in this episode.

Adult Kate

Kate’s packing for something and lamenting about how it’s been a month since she’s seen Kevin. He’s in rehab—remember the DUI from last episode?—and she thinks that’s somehow her fault. Toby takes out the trash, but the bottom of the bag gives in, revealing junk food containers. It appears Kate’s broken her diet, and he looks concerned. I could write an essay about how policing Kate’s eating on this show is icky, but let’s just focus on what happens next. (FWIW, Toby looks considerably less annoying in this episode, and I don’t know why.)

Adult Randall

Randall’s going on a trip, too. Apparently, all of the siblings and Rebecca are visiting Kevin in rehab. We learn Tess hopped into the back of Kevin’s car because she was sad about Déjà moving out of the house. She promises not to run away again, but Randall and Beth are still worried. (Randall also looks hot AF in the jacket he’s wearing, but that’s neither here nor there.)

“If she was doing a little worse, then I could stay here with her and not have to visit your jackass brother.” —Beth, reading Kevin for filth.

Beth, Queen of This Is Us, starts dragging Kevin right out the gate. She calls him a “jackass” and says she’s pissed they have to visit him. They’re both upset with Kevin, but Randall says they need to be there for him because Kevin helped him during his lowest points last year. Essentially, they’re grinning and bearing their anger on this trip, which Beth calls “white people repression.” Iconic.

Adult Kevin

Everyone shows up at the rehab center for Kevin. He emerges looking like his old self; the beard is gone, and he’s enthusiastic and lively. He looks like a damn snack again and, honestly, thank God. He’s very jumpy, though, which is weird. His therapist, Barbara, suggests a therapy session between him, his siblings, and Rebecca, which is going to be interesting.

Kevin apologizes to Kate, Randall, and Rebecca during the session, but it’s clear Randall is pissed because he keeps saying, “We’re here for you, Kev.” (That’s what he and Beth agreed to keep saying to mask their anger toward Kevin.)

But the therapy goes deeper. Kevin says he became an addict because he’s always felt like the third runner-up to Kate and Randall. Kate always had the attention of their father, and Randall their mother. He drowned out his insecurities with football, fame, and then drugs and alcohol. He then says the Pearsons are a family of addicts: Kevin’s one, Jack is one, their grandfather is one, and Kevin suggests even Kate is one—with food—and this strikes a nerve in her. Rebecca vehemently defends Jack, saying he’s “so much more” than an addict.

“Of course, he’s Mr. Rehab.”—Beth, dragging Kevin more.

And then the family completely explodes. Randall says Kevin isn’t an addict, but just desperate for attention. This causes the two brothers to go at it: Kevin says Rebecca’s always loved Randall the most and that Tess hopped in the backseat of his car to avoid the insanity of Randall’s home. This leads to a pretty shocking confession: Rebecca thought Randall was the “easiest” child to love.

The Pearson Three then have a tranquil debriefing on a park bench. Randall says they all view their upbringing through different perspectives and he doesn’t want to “crap all over” Kevin’s. They apologize and smile and make lighthearted jokes about their intense therapy session because this show shifts emotions every five seconds.

Meanwhile, the supporting family members kicked out of the therapy session—Beth, Toby, and Miguel—go have beers at a bar. Their conversation pivots to Jack, who Beth and Miguel dub the ultimate “Pearson no-fly zone.” They say they’ll never meet Jack or live up to him. Toby confesses Kate’s “fallen off the wagon” with her eating and he’s upset she isn’t talking to him about it. It’s clear all three of them feel on the outside of the Pearson gang—no one more than Miguel, who says point-blank he married his best friend’s wife.

Things end with Toby confronting Kate about her secret junk food. But Kate beats him to the punch: She says she has “a lot of issues” with food, so we’ll probably delve deeper into that as the season continues. Honestly, I’m here for that—so long as it’s done carefully and empathetically.

The final scene is rough: Rebecca reveals to Kevin she didn’t think she had to worry about him growing up, and now she’s seeing how she’s wrong. Oof, talk about coming back with a vengeance. This Is Us has me bawling all over again…and rolling my eyes. But mostly crying.

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The Cast of 'This Is Us' Reveal What Happens Next After the Pearson Family's Intense Therapy Session


This Is Us rang in 2018 with quite the emotional episode—but would you expect anything less? (Read our recap here for a full breakdown.) For the actors, it was just as intense IRL. “I remember thinking, ‘Wow, these are really authentic moments,'” Justin Hartley tells us. “They’re talking about really hard things to people they love. They don’t want to hurt each other, but it’s going to hurt.”

One moment in particular—a 12-minute scene of Kevin’s family therapy session without a break in the action—is rarely done on television. “You can’t pick up that momentum [if you stop at any point when filming], so we just did take after take all the way through,” Hartley explains. “I don’t think anybody dropped a line.”

The scene—which prompted a devastated Rebecca to admit that Randall was an easier child to love than closed-off Kevin—also revealed that Kate’s addiction to food runs deeper than anyone was truly aware. “We all have struggles in our lives, and I think being honest with the people we love is the only way to face those issues,” Chris Sullivan says. “Being transparent and honest [with yourself and others is] really [the only way to] overcome something like that.”

Adds Hartley, “It’s a life-long struggle. It’s one moment at a time. It’s the same with Kevin. He knows the man he wants to be, but he just puts a lot of pressure on himself when he doesn’t need to.”

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The episode ended on an uplifting note for the big three, but the hard work is just beginning. While it remains to be seen if Kevin has a future with ex-wife Sophie, Hartley played coy but noted that “you’ll be seeing her again.” Still, Sophie isn’t the only woman in Kevin’s life that he’ll need to work on repairing a relationship with. His sister-in-law Beth isn’t quite ready to forgive him after he unknowingly drove under the influence with her daughter in the backseat of his car. “There is going to be a tension there until [they really sit down to talk things out], Susan Kelechi Watson tells us. “It’s not like she hasn’t had tension with him before, but this was definitely a lot more serious. She’s definitely not as willing as Randall is [to take the stance that], ‘Oh, he’s getting help.’ She still feels like it’s all about Kevin in a way. There is going to have to be some kind of a stronger resolution for them.”

With only seven episodes remaining in season two, it remains to be seen if Beth and Kevin will have that opportunity, but one thing we do know is that the details about Jack’s death are closer to being revealed. “All I can say is be prepared,” Milo Ventimiglia says cryptically. “And yet, I know there is no real preparation for something like that. At the same time, we all know it’s coming. Just remember, it doesn’t mean the character is leaving or I’m leaving. It’s just one chapter in Jack’s book, and there’s a lot more to learn about the man.”

Speaking of Jack, Ventimiglia says that as vulnerable as we’ve seen the character this season, he actually has a tough time pulling back that emotion. “Jack is not one to cry, and I myself am more emotional than Jack. The hardest moments for me are where I personally have to hold my emotion in. When Jack opens up about his drinking problem [to Kate]…I’m welling up thinking about the experience, but thank God I have partners like [teen Kate] Hannah Zeile, [10-year-old Kate] Mackenzie Hancsicsak, and all the kids both ages. And Mandy, Mandy, Mandy…she’s a God send.”



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Kate and Toby Will Get Married on This Season of 'This Is Us'


This Is Us returns from its winter break on Tuesday, January 9, and in case you forgot about everything that unfolded in the last few episodes here’s a brief refresher: Kate had a miscarriage, Kevin’s drinking and prescription drug dependency worsened, Randall and Beth had to say goodbye to Deja, and, in the latest episode, Kevin drove drunk while Randall and Beth’s eldest daughter, Tess, was hiding in his backseat.

In the understatement of the year, executive producer and co-showrunner Elizabeth Berger says “all of the characters have had crises that they’re going through this season and are in their own world because of that.” So when the show returns, she’s “very excited” to bring everybody back together. “They hash everything out in a way we haven’t seen so far.” Adds EP and co-showrunner Isaac Aptaker, “Everybody is seeing each other, for better or for worse. This episode is the exact opposite of the trilogy episodes.”

What does that mean exactly? And will the big three face happier times in 2018? Ahead of next week’s new episode, Aptaker and Berger fill us in.

When the show returns, how much time will have passed since we saw Kevin driving under the influence with Tess in the backseat of his car?

Isaac Aptaker: We tend to keep our present day stories in real time, similar to last season when we ended with Toby collapsing on Christmas and then came back a few weeks later and caught up where everyone is. We’ll do a similar time jump. Nothing too major.

Can Beth ever forgive Kevin? Obviously he didn’t know Tess was in the car with him, but this is her child.

Elizabeth Berger: Beth can be a tough customer, especially with Kevin. I do think she knows Kevin was there for Randall previously [when he had his breakdown], and I think that while she might not be forgiving immediately, that does have an effect on her. She’ll try to keep that in mind as her relationship with Kevin progresses.

IA: And as you said, Kevin had no idea Tess was in that car. It’s not the best defense in the world, but it’s something.

Everyone wants to know if Kevin has hit rock bottom, but when you’re an addict—even a recovering addict—you’re never fully out of the woods. It’s a lifelong fight.

IA: I think it just speaks to the amount of love there is for this character and the portrayal that Justin gives, but you’re right, there are so many ups and downs. Recovery and addiction are incredibly unpredictable. You can think you’ve bottomed out and are fine, but then you slip up and have a new low. It’s impossible to really say what rock bottom really is until you’ve lived your full life.

EB: I agree. I think at least when we come back [next week], at least his family will know what’s going on. That way, in the immediate future, things will be a little bit different, but you’re exactly right.

In the winter finale, we saw a young boy in foster care, which seemed to indicate that his path will cross with Randall and Beth’s. Will we explore that in the latter half of the season?

IA: Yes, definitely. That’s a little tease of what’s to come.

EB: If you know Randall, it’s safe to say that the adoption passion hasn’t been put to bed, so it’s definitely still alive.

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So will we still see that same boy again? Because he was adorable.

IA: Yes.

And what about Deja? Will Lyric Ross be returning?

IA: I can’t say whether or not Lyric will be returning, but we love the actor and character so much. She completely blew us away in every moment in the first part of the season, so hopefully.

Let’s move on to Kate and Toby. Will they start planning a wedding, or will Kate want to try and have a baby again? Or both?

EB: I think these two realize now how much they want to start a family. Whether they will do it immediately, you’ll have to wait and see, but they are definitely very excited to plan their wedding. I think these are two people that after everything they have been through feel ready to get married.

Will there be a wedding this season?

IA: Yes. I think we can safely say that. We’re driving towards a wedding for Kate and Toby by the end of our season.

And what about the miscarriage? Will we continue to see Kate and Toby cope with the loss of their baby?

EB: It will definitely be something that they occasionally speak about. It’s something that stays in their minds, but we do feel that this is a very healthy, strong couple. We’re going to march toward a very happy future together.

Speaking of the future—and the past—how close are we getting to learning about Jack’s death?

IA: At the beginning of our season we saw our kids grieving in the immediate aftermath of his death with Kate and the dog, Kevin has the broken leg, and Randall had that girlfriend. We’ve now met the dog, Kevin has broken his leg, and all that’s left is for Randall to meet his cute little red-haired high school girl. So there’s only one piece left before we are at that time.

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In the last episode before the break, we saw Jack take teenage Randall to the Vietnam Memorial in D.C.. It would seem that Jack’s brother, Nicky, did pass away in the war. Is that accurate?

IA: That’s still a mystery, and we have not answered exactly what happened to Jack’s brother yet.

Could he still be alive then in the present day?

IA: Anything’s possible. We have not said what the whereabouts are or addressed his [alive or dead] status of Jack’s brother. Certainly Jack was in Vietnam, and he had a lot of friends he was there with that did pass away, so there were plenty of names on that Memorial that he would be familiar with. It’s not necessarily about his brother.

Oh great, more mysteries for me to think about. Meanwhile, what else can you tell us about the rest of this season?

EB: We’re excited to give people the answers to questions that they’ve been asking for a season and a half.

IA: We’re editing episodes 13 and 14 right now, and every episode gets bigger and bigger. We’re driving towards a really exciting last few of the season, and then we’ll be starting [to work on] season three soon!



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This 'This Is Us' Fan Theory Might Just Reveal When We'll Find Out About Jack's Death


We’re halfway through the second season of This Is Us, and fans of the show still don’t know when or the details of how Jack Pearson died. Although viewers have learned some bits and bobs about the Pearson clan, there’s been very little new information revealed about Jack since we found out he likely perished in a fire in episode one (aside from the fact he once had a brother named Nicky).

Creator Dan Fogelman told Entertainment Weekly back in September that the fire in season 2 wasn’t a red herring. So we know that that, at least, is a sure thing. Now, a new fan theory from Redditor MaineSoxGuy93 suggests that Jack’s fate will be revealed to viewers on the real-life 20th anniversary of his death.

They wrote: “A thought just occurred to me. The Big 3 were born in 1980. They are now 37. Jack died in their senior year of high school. So that means Jack died somewhere between 1997-98. That means the twentieth anniversary of his death is coming up. We will find out how he died on the 20th anniversary of his death.”

MaineSoxGuy93 makes an intriguing case. We know for certain—thanks to episodes we’ve already seen—that Jack dies during Randall, Kate, and Kevin’s senior year of high school. The show is seasonally accurate, so when it comes back in early 2018 after its winter recess, the Pearson kids will likely be starting the second semester of their senior year.

Fogelman also revealed in the same September EW interview that we won’t have to wait until the last episode. “It’s fair to say you’re not going to learn everything about Jack’s death next week, but you’re not going to wait until the season finale, either,” he said. “It’ll be somewhere in between.”

It really is perfect timing for the writers, and it definitely gives MaineSoxGuy93’s theory some legs. The only thing to do now is mark our calendars for the show’s return on January 2.

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