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This Is Us Season Four Fall Finale Recap: Isaac Aptaker Breaks Down Those Big Twists


Yeah, exactly. We had to make sure because we would get confused when we were writing it and we would have Rebecca get a text from Randall and then say, “Oh, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, that’s the wrong timeline! She wouldn’t be getting that text!” It’s just a process of constantly remembering where you are in space and time to make sure that it all makes sense when you look back on it.

We know Rebecca lives another 10 or 12 years into the future, so how much will the show explore the journey of how her health progresses?

That’s a really good question. We’re committed to telling this story really accurately and as medically honestly as possible. We always have our experts and our consultants, both anecdotally people who have experienced it personally and also doctors and experts in the field. That said, we also are very aware of how sad this story is. Whenever we tell a sad story, we’re always looking for the silver lining for the moments of joy, for the moments of triumph. We’re going to be both accurate and as uplifting as possible while telling something that is incredibly, incredibly sad.

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When is the next time we’ll revisit the storylines set nine months from now?

That’s the Big Three’s 40th birthday, which every season has started with, so that will be the beginning of our fifth season. It’s not going to be a super long wait to get the answers to all of the questions that we just flash-forwarded to. It’s really by the end of this season and the very beginning of next that we’ll be caught up to that moment.

In the scenes set nine months from now, Kate’s wedding ring is still on. Is it accurate to say that even though she might be having trouble with her marriage, so far it’s still intact?

Yeah. I think even if things are bad with Toby, nine months is an incredibly fast time to go from married to divorced, especially when you have a young child. I think people should definitely be aware and concerned about the fact that Toby wasn’t in that flash-forward but, yes, she is wearing a ring. I think that would be awfully fast for them to be divorced.

Kate and Toby feed baby Jack
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This Is Us Season Three Finale Details: Executive Producers Isaac Aptaker and Elizabeth Berger Answer the Biggest Questions


Caution: Spoilers for the This Is Us season three finale ahead.

This Is Us creator Dan Fogelman was spot-on when told us the last five minutes of the season three finale are as “big and sprawling and epic as we get.” After much back and forth, Randall and Beth finally were on the same page with plans to move to Philadelphia, where Beth will open a dance studio and Randall will continue his political career. Kate and Toby brought baby Jack home from the NICU. Rebecca and Miguel were preparing to move to Los Angeles. And Zoe and Kevin broke up when it became obvious they’ll never be on the same page about having kids.

Then things got really interesting. In the future, we learned that Beth and Randall are still together (thanks for the season-long anxiety about that, writers!) and Kevin has a pre-teen son. Kevin’s also seemed to be doing well for himself, as evidenced by that sprawling house the Pearsons gathered at to visit an ailing Rebecca.

Speaking of Rebecca, she looked like a fraction of her 60-something self, complete with long white hair and an emotionless expression. When Randall entered her room, he heartbreakingly had to remind her who he is. (Does this mean she’s suffering from a form of Alzheimer’s disease?) At her bedside wasn’t her husband, Miguel, but Jack’s estranged brother, Nicky. (Who, by the way, was looking much better in this future timeline.)

Oh, and future Kate? She was nowhere to be found. When Toby mentioned Jack, he said “they’re on their way.” But that doesn’t mean he was talking about his wife. And, if Kate is alive, it doesn’t sound like Katoby are an item still. (Anyone else notice that Toby wasn’t wearing a wedding ring?)

With our heads spinning and our hearts racing, we called up executive producers and co-showrunners Isaac Aptaker and Elizabeth Berger to fill us in on exactly what’s going on in the future. Read on.

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Glamour: Let’s start with the basics: How many years in the future are we when we see Rebecca lying in bed?

Elizabeth Berger: We haven’t decided exactly how many years in the future we’re at, but we’ve imagined it as roughly 12-15 years.

Yes or no, Rebecca has a form of Alzheimer’s or dementia?

Isaac Aptaker: Possibly. Or possibly this is someone near the end of their life experiencing a lack of awareness and confusion that comes with extreme old age.

EB: We can’t say exactly what’s going on with her, but we will be learning exactly what’s going on with her as we move forward in our story.

How close to death is she? Is it a matter of hours, where everyone is gathering to say goodbye?

IA: I think it definitely feels like she’s very near the end of her life and that her passing is imminent and that’s why everyone has decided to descend upon Kevin’s house.

We see Nicky sitting at her bedside. Does Rebecca think Nicky is Jack? If she does have a form of Alzheimer’s, a lot of people remember the past better than the present day.

EB: It’s a totally cool theory and totally possible. Obviously we can’t say what’s going on until we learn more of what is going on with Rebecca, but it’s a very interesting take on it.

Nicky has also aged better than anyone else.

IA: That wasn’t an accident. We wanted the read to be on Nicky that though he is older, we’re seeing a guy in a better place than when we last left him. The fact that he aged really well shows he’s in a much better place mentally and physically than when we left him in that trailer.



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