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Shonda Rhimes and Ellen Pompeo Have a Pact About When They'll End 'Grey's Anatomy'

Grey’s Anatomy has been on the air for approximately 9 bazillion years. OK, that’s an exaggeration: It’s actually only been on for 12, but it feels like way more. And for good reason: The show has ripped through dozens of doctors, hundreds of over-the-top storylines, and thousands of steamy kissing scenes. One of the M.D.s was literally nicknamed “McSteamy,” people. What were you expecting?

Grey’s Anatomy‘s constantly-moving parts make it pretty confusing to follow, but there’s one constant that keeps fans comforted: Dr. Meredith Grey, the narrator of the series, played by Ellen Pompeo. She’s the thread that weaves each bonkers season of Grey’s Anatomy together. Without her, there’d be little narrative direction: Each episode would just be 42 minutes of random doctors sometimes doing their jobs but mostly boning. Meredith is an indispensable component.

And Rhimes will continue making Grey’s Anatomy so long as Pompeo wants to do it. That’s the only thing needed to keep the show going, according to her. When Pompeo wants to exit, that’s when Rhimes says she’ll end Grey’s Anatomy.

“Ellen and I have a pact that I’m going to do the show as long as she’s going to do the show,” Rhimes told E! News. “So the show will exist as long as both of us want to do it. If she wants to stop, we’re stopping. So I don’t know if we’ll see 600 [episodes], but I want to keep it feeling fresh. As long as there are fresh stories to tell and as long as we’re both excited about the stories being told, we’re in. So, we’ll see where that takes us.”

This makes sense, to be honest—and it’s sort of a given. I mean, Meredith Grey’s name is in the title of the show. It’d be ludicrous to produce it without her. The show would just be called….Anatomy…and that sounds ick.

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Ellen DeGeneres Had the Perfect Response to Why She'd Never Have Trump on Her Show

Ellen DeGeneres has no love lost for President Donald Trump, it’s safe to say. DeGeneres was one among many celebrities who tweeted words of support after Clinton’s loss. “Thank you @HillaryClinton for your speech and for your endless bravery. We are stronger together,” she wrote. In January, she alluded to not supporting Trump when he screened Finding Dory at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue: “Over the weekend, on Friday, the president gave an order banning people from seven countries from entering the United States, including people with green cards,” she said on her show. “And then on Saturday, the president screened Finding Dory at the White House. I don’t get political, but I will say that I am against one of those two things.”

By May, the comedian, who, as Vanity Fair pointed out, is known for “keeping things light,” made it clear that Trump wouldn’t be invited on her show. Matt Lauer got to her admit she hadn’t spoken with Trump—whom she’d encountered when filming something briefly for her show during season one of Celebrity Apprentice—since he began running for president. Lauer asked her why he’d never be on her show and she responded, “Because I’m not going to change his mind,” adding that the president is “against everything that I stand for.”

“We need to look at someone else who looks different than us and believes in something that we don’t believe in and still accept them, and still let them have their rights,” she added.

She reiterated her position when she spoke with another journalist, Megyn Kelly, on The Ellen DeGeneres Show last week. DeGegeneres asked Kelly if she’d had him on her upcoming Today With Megyn Kelly, who said of course—he’s a sitting president of the United States. Kelly flipped the question back to DeGeneres, who had the perfect response:

“I would not have him on my show,” she said as the audience applauded. “He is who he is and he has enough attention. He has his Twitter account and he has ways to get his message across.” She then reiterated something she’d told Lauer, before adding a crucial part: “There is nothing I’m going to say to him that’s going to change him, and I don’t want to give him a platform, because it validates him.”

DeGeneres continued:

“For me to have someone on the show, I have to at least admire them in some way. And I can’t have someone that I feel is not only dangerous for the country—and for me personally as a gay woman—but to the world. He’s dividing all of us…I just don’t want him on the show.”

Well said, Ellen, well said. Watch the full clip below:

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