The only thing more entertaining than Monday night’s VMAs is the behind-the-scenes live-stream that catches celebrities in their most natural state. Case and point: this juicy clip of Nicki Minaj and Ariana Grande talking shortly after Minaj won the award for Best Hip-Hop Video. Now what these two are talking about is anyone’s guess, but based on Minaj’s devastating eye roll, there’s likely all kinds of shade involved.

One popular theory that emerged online is that the two were chatting about Travis Scott and Kylie Jenner. Earlier in the day, TMZ reported that the couple was originally supposed to be seated near Minaj, but asked to be moved after the “Chun-Li” rapper publicly slammed Jenner for using her daughter, Stormi, to help promote Scott’s album.

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While it’s certainly possible that Grande was giving Minaj the scoop on Jenner and Scott, their animated chat could have also been about a number of other things. After all, these two go way back. In fact, their very public friendship was on full display Monday night in more ways than one: When Minaj took the stage to accept her award, Grande was right there to make sure she didn’t trip over the train of her dress. Minaj then thanked Grande in her acceptance speech, saying, “Ariana Grande, my baby. I’m so proud of you. I’m so freaking proud of you, Ariana.” Grande responded by mouthing the words “I love you” from her seat in the front row.

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