Let me take you back 11 years, to 2008, when Taylor Swift appeared on The Ellen Show and publicly dragged her then most recent ex, Joe Jonas. You definitely remember this: It was November, and Swift’s second studio album, Fearless, was about to drop. On that LP is a song inspired by Jonas called “Forever and Always,” which she revealed to host Ellen DeGeneres is a sarcastic title. This isn’t the only tea she spilled, either. In that interview, Swift also explained the method in which Jonas broke up with her: a 25-second phone call.

“It’s all right. I’m cool,” Swift told DeGeneres at the time. “You know what? It’s like when I find that person that is right for me and he’ll be wonderful, and when I look at that person, I’m not even going to be able to remember the boy who broke up with me over the phone in 25 seconds when I was 18.”

DeGeneres and her entire studio audience were visibly shocked by this bombshell, but Swift just laughed it off. In 2019, though, she’s singing a different tune. During her appearance on The Ellen Show this week, she said one of her biggest teenage rebellions was putting Mr. Jonas on blast. “That was too much. Yeah, that was too much,” she explained. “I was 18. We laugh about it now. That was mouthy, yeah, teenage stuff there.”

Taylor Swift made her triumphant return to pop music on April 26 with her single “Me!,” which features Brendon Urie and is currently sitting at number three on Billboard‘s Hot 100. Her seventh studio album is expected to drop sometime this year, and the fan theories surrounding it have reached critical mass. Maybe her mentioning Joe Jonas in this interview is yet another clue. Could a collaboration be on the horizon? Fingers crossed.

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