Actress Zoey Deutch has been on my radar since 2011, so when I heard she was in New York promoting her Netflix series The Politician, I couldn’t have been more excited to have her on Glamour‘s new podcast What I Wore When, during which I talk to women I find fascinating about an outfit they wore during a pivotal moment in their lives.

Zoey’s pick? Her bat mitzvah dress because—as she put it—”when I was thinking about my bat mitzvah or a premiere or people’s wedding day or these markers in your life. I think it’s so funny that we tend to move away from what we actually look like. The most important days of our lives—and the most photographed and documented days of our lives—we’re wearing things and doing things that look nothing like us.”

The dress in question was a ruffly silver BCBG dress worn with heels she says she couldn’t walk in, skinny waxed eyebrows she begged her mom for, and “wax figure makeup.” When I asked her how she felt that morning—a bar or bat mitzvah is a seminal moment in a Jewish 13-year-old’s life—she was honest: “I was just trying to look like an adult so I didn’t feel like myself. I didn’t feel good because I didn’t feel like myself.”

Twenty-something episodes later, I can say with certainty that of all the women I talked to for the project so far, the 25-year-old surprised me the most. In addition to her willingness to describe an outfit that made her cringe (and provide pics!), she wandered into our recording session alone—no publicist, no manager, no entourage. “Wait are you here by yourself?” is the first thing I asked her, before even shaking her hand.

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